UPDATED October 2016 (There is some really helpful visitor commentary at the bottom of this post from both the creator of this course and customers who have gone through the training.)
I was seeing ads for an options program from Quantum Trading through their Payday Stocks (PDS) website(“PayDayStocks.com”) that claims to show you how a strategy doubled a trading account in 90 days with their TimeWarp(TW) Double 90 Strategy program?
With strong claims like doubling money in 90 days I was weary of looking at it, but thought I would write out what I could find out about it and see if anyone can add more feedback to this post.
(Comment below this post if you have any additional insight).
NOTE – This post if being written from a consumer standpoint as I tried to research the course.
Some Background First
The instructor’s name is Ryan Jones and from what I could find, he has been offering various trading programs online for a while through his Quantum Trading company.
I first came across his PayDayStocks.com a while back when they were promoting their 27% Weekly Options Strategy program.
You can watch a free presentation about it on their website.
From what I saw the 27% Weekly strategy was a tweak on Calendar spreads using weekly options.
You would sell an At-the-money weekly put option that is expiring near-term while simultaneously buying a farther out expiration deeper in the money put creating a vertical calendar spread.
You can watch the presentation for more information but it seemed like you were betting on a pretty precise outcome dealing with at the money options and tight strike spreads.
PDS Time Warp 90 Strategy review
TW90 program seems to lay out various options strategies that revolve taking advantage of near term time decay.
The sales page emphasizes “How to Easily and Consistently Pull Money Out of the Market With a Proven Strategy You Can Rely on”.
The video on the site mentions you have to be willing to lose $2500 on trade drawdowns as you are trading strictly on probabilities so you have to stick to the plan.
The main instrument of trading is the SPY using options and they will be doing actual trades(not hypothetical).
The program seems to cater to people that are already knowledgeable about options and understand how probabilities work.
While they don’t say exactly what the options strategies they use, they all seem to revolve around the concept of taking advantage of using weekly options to sell expensive options and owning cheaper options.
August 2016 update: I watched the current video on the sales page and essentially explains the concept of selling “expensive” options and buying “cheap” options. The video talks about calculating time value in options by calling it PPD (dividing at the money option by the # of days until expiration) so you sell ATM(at the money) weekly options that expires in say the next week and buying longer term ATM option that is “cheaper”(has less time value priced in). This concept is what has made weekly options to popular and is well known.
The course says it will explain various options strategies that emphasize this concept of selling expensive options and buying longer term less expensive options. The video calls this “Time warp” which is just a term they made up for explaining differences in volatility.
I’ve written about weekly options plenty of times in the past including calendar debit spread strategy that is talked about in the PDS sales video.
If you already have an understanding of options strategies then you might already be knowledgeable about the concepts taught in this training ?
It would seem the value might be having a screening program to find stocks with expensive near term options and inexpensive long term options but that isn’t included in the $500 training(that is an extra monthly fee) and it is an additional monthly fee to have access to their PPD trader software.
Opinion on PayDay Stocks TW 90 Course
I decided not to buy the course for reasons mentioned above and because I it seemed to just be re-explaining options strategies that revolve around selling short options and being long farther out options to collect time decay.
The terms like “PPD” and “Time Warp” are just their own marketing terms they came up with to explain the well known concept that shorter term options decay faster than long term options. That is why selling premium on weekly options has become so popular.
Also, I was kind of surprised that I couldn’t find any positive reviews of people who followed the program anywhere online and the only candid feedback I found about the program were on their forums boards (see here) and screenshot below. (August 2016 UPDATE – They removed access to the forum so you can’t view it the forum link below anymore)
The video goes on for a while about how he doesn’t do any refunds, so for the $500 program cost make sure you ask their support any questions you have before enrolling.
Overall, I didn’t find much real feedback on the program and their forums didn’t seem to have much response to user questions which was surprising.
Also, I could not really find feedback about Ryan Jones Quantum Trading or about his other trading education company called Smart Trading despite them being online for so long so I don’t have any other information to offer about them. I did find a book on Amazon.com authored by Ryan Jones that you can read customer reviews about but that is different from what this Timewarp 90 program is about.
In the Timewarp video they state that “dozens and dozens of traders have communicated to use that there is nothing like these educational videos and nothing like PDS trader online(or even close) in the Entire Options Industry”.
With comments like that I expected to see some real testimonials online or customer video testimonials about their results using their training.
If you want to trade on options probabilities I’ve written about other programs I liked like this program which is pretty cheap, has money back guarantee, lots of reviews, and excellent support to ask unlimited questions.
PLEASE Leave a comment below if you tried the TimeWarp 90 program. It would help out any visitors to this post with their decision making if they were looking at the program.
51 thoughts on “PayDay Stocks TimeWarp D90 Program”
Difficult to determine who is writing this review, but whoever you are, just wanted to thank you for your thoughts
Thanks for the feedback. I wrote the review – Here is my “About me” https://www.kinetictrader.com/contact-us/
I am a real person who has also tried this service. 3 months ago, I decided to give this Time Warp Double 90 a try and was in high hopes. Ryan talks the talk but obviously did not walk the walk! M y results were very disappointing to say the least. I recently am ending my 3 months Time Warp Double 90’ with PDS trader this coming week ( 7/12/2016). . I paid $500.00 for the Time Warp Double 90’ program plus $67.00 month PDS trader data service ( discounted) . I ended up with a -$500.00 net loss for the 3 months . A big reason why I joined up was his mention a few times in his service that if by the end of 3 month period you have not doubled your money you will be entitled to continue till you double your money. What is not mentioned is it will cost an additional $500.00 to continue on !!!! Knowing what I know now, I would be hard pressed to try this service for free!. Ryan’s style is sporadic making numerous trades difficult to keep up , almost like he is day trading to cut his numerous losses . His excuses regarding this performance are more common as I have read and I now see there are other people in prior sessions that have similar experiences. Trading weeklies with SPY may have promise, and I will carry this on my own, but this Time Warp Double 90 does not deliver would strongly advise someone to look at other alternatives
Thanks Marty for the detailed review. Yeah from what I saw I thought he was very confined in making the strategy work and I didn’t like it for other reasons I mentioned.
I followed Ryan’s trades for the three months of the ‘Time Warp Double 90’ trading strategy. At the end of two months he was up to only about +$500. At the end of three months/90 days he was back down to zero profits.
It’s difficult to find anywhere on the site where he posts his current P/L on the trading strategies. After you realize that his strategies are a failure you understand why.
As best I could understand from all his posted information his use of weekly diagonal spreads worked back in 2015 at the end of the long bull market, but hasn’t worked since. Despite the continued failure of his method to generate any profits he continues to promise doubling your balance in 90 days.
In truth he should have been a writer for his career not a trader. In his posts or email responses he can wax poetic until you can hear the music, but he’ll never answer your simple question simply. “Why should I be paying for you to beta-test a strategy that’s unprofitable?”
For Ryan the problem is always with others; it’s traders who complain, the market too volatile, or not volatile enough, etc., etc.
Run, don’t walk away from this guy. His confidence far outstrips his ability and you’ll be frustrated and poorer after three months !
Thanks Lon for the detailed feedback. Unfortunately I find that many trading programs out there deliver results far below what they promise. I wrote the review to give people an honest look at it from what I saw even though I didn’t take the program. I appreciate you taking the time to give your thoughts. Also, I feel here are better high probability ways to trade weekly options than what seems to be taught in this training.
He’s now offering something he calls Time Warp Extravaganza. I’m not participating, but 100 traders, divide into 25 teams (4 people per team) and trade a 5k account for 6 months. I won’t go into all the details, or what I don’t like about this program that’s keeping me out of it, but I’m just posting here in hopes that someone will post their experiences. I think Ryan’s programs need more honest postings of what his results really are. I plan to post my results of trading some of his other programs, but am still riding it out longer before coming to conclusions.
Thanks for the feedback. I would like to hear how your results go. – Brian
He offered this program to me on 4th Jan 17, to start on 1st Feb 17.
There were some differences to what he offered you:
1. He didn’t indicate that there was a previous run of it, or if it was successful
2. The numbers he wanted was 50 not 100
He was saying that he would set up $5k accounts with his own money for groups of 3-4 traders to trade with. However, I looked at the figures and found this to be somewhat disingenuous.
At $3500 per place (non-refundable): $3500 x 50 = $175k to Ryan Jones
50 Traders at 3-4 traders per team: 11 teams x 4 = 44 Traders and 2 teams x 3 = 6 Traders
This is 13 teams for the 50 Traders
13 teams at $5k per team: 13 x $5k = $65k = Total for trading accounts
Hence, Ryan Jones gets: $175k – $65k = $110k
In other words he is using crowd funding to fund the project.
If none of the systems work, he is still up to the tune of $110k.
If some/all work, only profits will be redistributed as rebates.
He gets to see what works (at your expense) and the only possible losses come from the $65k seed money, which he says is his own money, but in reality is yours!
I would like to know what the outcome of the previous ‘extravaganza’ was and what his view on my interpretation of the figures is.
I did not take up the program because of this; but I apologise if my analysis is wrong.
Included please find the reasons why the strategy will not work (majority of the time):
1) Only 45% of the time SPY will have a down week.
2) PPD (price per day) lost is only true assuming all other variables remains constant (volatility / price/ etc…). We all know 99% of the time those variables will change).
3) It is not true to assume that if SPY moves up by a small margin that you will still end up with a profit.
4) Does not matter what you trade, you need to call either market direction or volatility.
5) I back tested the strategy – not worth trading unfortunately.
Included the reasons why this strategy will be at break even to loss making most of the time.
1) If you look at the number of down weeks per annum = 46%.
2)If SPY makes a small move up the chances of you making a loss is there since the delta of his spreads is not 0 (if he claims he does not look at market movement = lie!
3) PPD (price per day) 0 theta is only true if we assume price and volatility remains the same – this will never happen!
Sorry for delay replay(your comments got put into spam folder) Yes, I didn’t want to get into all the nuances of option pricing but my main problem with what is being shown in the video is that selling ATM options for fast decay works great when a stock doesn’t move but we all know that nothing is static and ATM options have high VEGA risk so you the extrinsic value especially in an ATM options changes constantly.
I would have loved to see their actual results(after commissions) trading the strategy.
Just saw what you found from Nick in the Spam…the deeper question, in the SPY scenario is up/down by ‘how much ?’ , that changes everything—it’s not a matter of time that it’s simply up or down. Of course the markets don’t stay static, and variables absolutely change. Of course you have to pick a bias direction to some degree, you just don’t lean overly one way versus another, you build a multi-facet approach and take advantage of probabilities. Ryan’s constantly talking about direction, he doesn’t care where it goes, as he has no clue nor does he pretend to know how to time the market….valid points and thoughts on the surface from Nick, would love to know how Nick back-tested the PPD and that it fails based on the multiple variations within the strategy when market conditions apply…that being said, I’m gonna leave this alone, as I’m not qualified to teach Ryan’s stuff…now I see why Ryan shut down the open forum. Imagine this recent conversation, which has been very productive in my mind, and multiple that by 100…sheww, no wonder that forum got so time consuming with so many traders from so many backgrounds. Again, these are great conversations, and maybe Ryan might take the time to further clarify, but I kinda doubt it. Take care, and thanks again for a good chat . Much respect to all and their opinions.
Again, we aren’t trying to filter out reviews so I have no idea how Nick tested vs. Ryan own results. That is why I think Ryan should have more proof and results on his site if the system is so successful.
I reviewed the videos on the sales page and added my updated thoughts in this post. I watched the videos on the sales page again and didn’t really change my opinion. The PPD video is about selling expensive weeklies to take advantage of rapid time decay and being long longer term options with less time decay…. or any other strategy to take advantage of faster time decay. The video uses their own sales terms like PPD price and “time warp” to just another way to explain common concepts of options.
Again, this was intended as unbiased review and hopefully they add to their sales page with longer term results(after commissions), more proof, and maybe video testimonials from clients who traded the system especially when they don’t have any type of refund.
There are multiple comments here from actual customers who followed the system.
Glad to hear those reviews.
It looks to me there’s another snake seller in the market.
Thnaks for the information.
Hey guys, ran across this and wanted to put in my 2 cents worth. On my website, I have a unique risk disclaimer. Everyone should read it, because the wrong mentality in the industry is epidemic. In part, it reads…”Many traders tend to gloss over risk disclaimers, as if they are mere technicalities required in the course of business in this industry. This is a dangerous habit many traders have developed. With all trading strategies, there is “profit potential” and there is “risk potential”. All too often, traders interpret “profit potential” as a “promise of profits”, while at the same time, if risks are realized, the term “risk potential” is interpreted “I was duped”. I’m fine with opinions on my approach, but when people start saying that I have promised anything, or that I don’t clearly spell out the risks, and then act like I have ever come close to stating I can double my account every 90 days, that is just a gross misrepresentation of my offers. My program is not for everyone, but I suggest actually watching the video presentation instead of listening to someone’s misrepresentation of it. I am confident about my trading, and I’m sure that comes across. That doesn’t mean I can necessarily be profitable every 90-days when I am trying to double an account in that time period. But I have made this challenge before, and I’ll make it again and hold it open. I will put my Time Warp trading against anyone, anytime for a 90-day period and will have a very good shot at winning. p.s. I am going to copy and paste these reviews and put them on my site if ya’ll don’t mind.
Hello, thanks for your feedback and this post was updated. This post was simply written as an impartial consumer trying to research your product and what we could find. Would be helpful to have more customers video reviews and results from customers who have gone through the course as I couldn’t find anything and for $500 that is non-refundable that was something I looking for.
Since the video on the sales page(at 30:15time mark) states “dozens and dozens of traders have communicated to us that there is nothing like these educational videos and nothing like PDS trader online(of even close) in the Entire Options Industry” then it would be great to see more real reviews from customers (as the product sales page just have anonymous testimonials from people like “F. in Michigan”). Really the only feedback I could find was product forum posts I found in “google” from customers that were unanswered which I showed in this post but it looks that that forum is no longer view-able.
None of the comments on this page are filtered so this is just honest feedback from people who used the program or are looking to buy it. It would be helpful maybe to adjust your marketing message to reflect this feedback if you think that people are misunderstanding what you are selling but your headline emphasis “How to Easily and Consistently Pull Money Out of the Market” and then shows doubling an account in 90days so it does set some expectation for people reading your sales page.
Ryan why don’t you give an update on your Quantum Charts hoax? What ever happened to MMC, LLC. and all the investment you conjured out of club members? Did you stiff them? You never communicated the status of MMC, LLC. after 2017 or provided tax documents. Possible moral turpitude my man and everybody should be extremely leery of you.
Pardon in advance this long-winded response. Hopefully it’s of value.
DISCLAIMER: I personally know Ryan, he’s my friend. We may not agree on everything in trading, and that’s perfectly normal to have different views. But I’ll tell you this, Ryan has accomplished some amazing feats in the trading world over the past 30 years, and he’s had his fair share of failures as well. However, he’s still standing over the past 3 decades in the market and is one of the brightest minds in this space. He’s one of the good guys, and truly wants traders to be successful.
Although, putting yourself out there publicly and trying to help traders with the best of intentions can be a pretty difficult and daunting task. That being said, and I’ll be direct, the negative real reviewers on the SHORT-TERM results are accurate during that ‘time period’,—however, they apparently lack “full” understanding of the strategy-concept , and it being one that’s long-term focused, centered around the long-term effects of proper money management— these negative reviews might not FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS ONE UNDENIABLE FACT ABOUT TRADING: No strategy works all the time, month after month, or even every year.
Are traders foolish enough to think that there are guaranteed profits in trading? Are traders foolish enough to think that if a strategy does not make money over the past 3-6 months, that math and probabilities are no longer valid? All strategies go into drawdowns or remain flat for an “unknown” amount of time. No equity curve moves in a perfect 45 degree angle. Come on, that’s fantasy land. Point being, you have to give it time, based on proper well defined expectations. Here’s the deal, you don’t know when the winning or losing streaks are coming, that’s why it’s all about surviving until the probabilities start to swing in your favor and you use proper money management to take advantage of that even more—Hey, I’ll be honest, it’s not the easiest thing in the world to wait out a drawdown, or flat equity curve, but it’s sooo important for long term success as a trader.
What professional traders realize is that it’s about being prepared for this unknown, and surviving it. You have to have realistic expectations, based on sound logic and sound principles. Apply these month after month, year after year, and allow proper money management (I prefer Fixed Ratio—which isn’t perfect, Ryan created this method and teaches it in-depth) to achieve extraordinary results YEARS down the road, NOT in MONTHS.
Most traders quit, start from zero again, rinse and repeat with the latest greatest strategy, until they are right back to where they started years ago. That being, nowhere or negative.
In my view, the information that Ryan produces is logical and very thorough. Thus, I am comfortable with the things he’s shared with me. I’m far from anxious about the market unknowns as it’s based on sound logic and principles that I’m comfortable with (and incorporate that around my own plan and style). Let’s be clear, it’s not the holy grail.
I respect people’s opinion, but as mentioned earlier many traders are near-sighted, don’t listen or misinterpret things, put word’s in others mouth etc (I’m guilty, and have made this mistake). But, to discredit Ryan is not fair, that’s the unfortunate nature of the internet blog/social media space…for every 1 disgruntled person, I’ll guarantee Ryan has 99 who like and respect his work and integrity…it’s funny, traders are unique creatures with some very interesting personalities…LOL.
Are Ryan’s strategies and approach the best in the world? …No, probably not.
Are the odds of LONG-TERM mathematical probabilities fixed in your favor with what Ryan teaches?… Yes.
Does this mean fixed ‘guaranteed’ favor? Of course not. But, other than tested fixed mathematical probabilities, what else better might one propose to base a good portion of the foundation, logic and principles on?
Good luck on your trading journey, and I truly wish everyone the best…even the negative reviewers, which I get, and respect, as I’ve been there sort of ‘blaming’ others…but in all fairness, you must not fully grasp the ‘long-term’ foundation of the logic and principles (which is fine of course, it’s not for everyone).
thanks for sharing. AS you can see this review didn’t claim the program was bad but just provided what I found as an interested consumer looking to potentially buy the product. Considering the product sales page headline says “How to Easily and Consistently Pull Money Out of the Market With a Proven Strategy You Can Rely on” I would expect to see more results and testimonials from customers that followed the training. If you are saying that the emphasis should not be on shorter term results but on long term then that should be emphasized more in the sales page.
I haven’t filtered out any feedback on this page so all these reviews from customers on this page should be useful feedback to Ryan and his team on how to better design their training or pre-sales material as from what I saw the “sales promotion”.
I see that the forum for Timewarp customers I linked to in the post has now been removed so I will update that.
Chad, you wrote, “Are the odds of LONG-TERM mathematical probabilities fixed in your favor with what Ryan teaches?… Yes. ”
Please would you explain exactly what probabilities you are looking at, with respect to time covered, time not covered, and exactly what statistics you are looking at?
Teaching traders to be successful most surely requires teaching that, else it is black box not teaching.
Thanks very much
Hello Norma, I assume he is talking about option probabilities. Option sellers use probabilities to determine the estimated move of a stock. Option sellers use probabilities in their favor to sell options that have a higher liklihood of expiring worthless. You can reference probability by looking at an options delta.
Chad, I just posted a comment I believe to be fair about Ryan Jone’s RF 90 and Time Warp, and I hope you will appreciate that there are aspects of Ryan’s trading that are not consistent with the system he sells. I actually had lots of expectations in his system, but if he feels to rig it in his practice I am doubtful that he has faith in it himself.
In regards to TW-D90 (Time Warp Double 90) results. I’ve looked at to the first signal issues Dated November 31, 2015. To date August 9, 2016 the results are as follows based on an starting account size of $5,000. It’s generated $977 in non-compounded profits, or 19.65% ROI over the past 8 months. Not too bad. Balance would stand at $5,977.
Although, the detailed proprietary trading plan and compounding plan that was given to subscribers would have the account standing at roughly $24,023 to date if I did the math right for an 5k account-based trading plan. Please note, that it’s a bit complicated as you deal with multi-legged strategies and Ryan is adding onto existing positions, he’s not necessarily going to buy 5 of something to hedge something that he only needs to buy 3 of for the same hedge. But the 24,023 is within reason. Retroactively applying money management to options doesn’t seem to be possible without everything perfectly organized with times and everything….with just underlying trades, it’s super easy. Thus the aforementioned number. The option problem would be if he added 2 short option in reality, to go with two long positions, but when adjusted it might make him add 3 short options covered by only 2 longs, leaving an exposed leg that wouldn’t be allowed (without certain permissions). Long story short, if you stuck with it and followed the compounding plan, you’ve done well.
Thanks for information. Would be great if they showed real(including all commissions) results long term. As mentioned in other comments, the sales page emphasizes “How to Easily/consistently pull money out of the market” and then shows doubling an account in 90days. They should provide more testimonials like video testimonials and long term results as I still think they sales page.
I watched the video on the sales page and from what I saw is it is just teaching selling near term ATM weekly options and buying long term option to benefit from the short term time decay. They seem to complicate the basic understanding concept of “extrinsic value” by calling is PPD(dividing ATM options by # of days). Maybe the screening software is helpful for finding these weekly options with volatility spreads but that isn’t part of the $500 training so you have to pay monthly for that software
Watch these 2 videos on this link, hopefully they help:
Ryan understands the greeks fully, although he does not use them. Based on his logic you don’t need them, although he does not say that the greeks have no value. They just are not necessary. He looks at the PPD first and foremost, which the software scans for.
Yes, the software screens for multiple variations of Ryan’s pre-built strategies. Has industry standard option strategies as well, and allows you to build your own strategies with pre-built parameters that you can easily edit. There’s hours of video training and power point slides etc that explains everything fully.
Yes, they removed the members forum. I was actually talking with Ryan recently, and he said it takes an significant amount of time to clean-up, clarify and manage a forum board with such a diverse background of traders. Many of which had not put in the time or effort to truly understand the foundations of the logic, thus they get confused, and further confuse others. Obviously there are pros and cons to a forum, but the decision was made to drop it.
Thanks. Take care
I’ve been following Ryan’s signals for 8+ months. TW Core, TW double 90, TW triple it, options for profits, and . I keep thinking it’s just a matter of time before the market finally cooperates with the TW strategies.
I actually was doing well with the options for profits, but then that was shut down w/ little explanation (I had to email support to find out it will eventually be relaunched (when??) on the newer TW site, I think). The fact that it just stopped may be because I believe they took a big hit on a long-term NG trade (and maybe lost subscribers). I don’t know, it would take some work to go through the archived signals and find historic NG option prices to see how much was lost on that. I was fortunate to get in on it midway and caught some of the recovery.
Back to the TW (TimeWarp) stuff. I don’t necessarily disbelieve that it can occasionally rack up some profits, but I have other trading methods that are more consistent. I’m used to drawdowns etc. I know how to ride them out. I was trying to do that with Ryan’s TW, but some of the things that caused me to lose confidence. 1) He reports his p/l each week without commissions. My overall p/l ends up being much lower. Not much of a concern if it was going up more often, but when it goes zig zags up and down, commissions turn breakeven into losses over time (not to mention what you pay him to get the signals)… 2) He is either really good at exits (possible, he has a lot of experience) or he only reports relatively good exits. I can only occasionally match his exits, and usually his exits are much better than mine. I’ve tried to follow all of his tips on getting better exits, and it only sometimes helps. Similar to #1, this adds up over time (even more, I think). 3) I asked him very clearly in a live webinar how often the double 90 approach actually works, and he wouldn’t give a clear answer. Without knowing how often it actually works (I believe it can work occasionally), how can I fully understand the risk to stick it out for another 6-9 months. I would love to see as much historical data as he can give me, but he’s rather vague. 4) I’ve come to the conclusion that IF Ryan is truly successful as a trader and not just marketing, his approach is still somewhat “shooting for the moon” trying to get a run of winners that can be compounded using his fixed ratio thing. I prefer a slower grind of trading a strategy that has clear historical backtested performance, profit factor, max drawdown, etc. etc. So I am tempted (and probably finally doing it) to bid Ryan Jones and the TW approach goodbye. If you put up his trading record on a transparent tracking site (e.g. collective2), I wonder if he’d have any subscribers.
Thanks for the terrific, detailed comment about your experience using the service. – Brian
I recently subscribed to a heavily discounted 12 Months of “PDS Trader”, from Ryan Jones. I really wanted his nine Trading Systems offered with the Subscription. A tenth System was included with the “PDS Trader” Resources. Highly detailed Videos, plus the underlying downloadable Power Point Presentations are made available to Subscribers. These are REALLY packed with Information, and FULLY discuss the Risks and Rewards associated with each Strategy. It might take two or three viewings to take in enough Information to confidently trade each System.
Ryan also includes Money Management Details, recommending the Lot Size to trade, according to Account Balance.
Obviously, trading much larger Lot Sizes is going to be much more risky. But in an “everything by yesterday” World, I can understand the Marketing Hype.
I believe that a 10% Return per Month (including Losses) would be realistic to maintain.
Without giving everything away, I think that the OP may have missed some of the essence of the differential Time Decay, which Ryan calls “Time Warp”. It comes from two sources. The Short Leg is sold for around one Week’s Duration, Close to The Money, ideally for maximum Time Value. This decays to zero. The Long Leg is bought with at least another Week’s Duration, generally Out of the Money (can be deeper In the Money, depending on which System, with similarly reduced Time Value). Ryan simplifies the Theta Decay to “Price Per Day”. The closer to expiry short Leg has much faster Time Decay. This gives a substantial Buffer against adverse Price Movement of the underlying ETF. These Diagonal Spreads are far superior to vertical Credit Spreads.
I’ve started very gently. I won’t double my Account in 90 Days, but likely will in around ten Months. Up 8% gross (excluding Commissions) in 9 closed Trades across my first 7 Weeks of trading. I’m using Ryan’s most conservative Strategies, initially.
If one was careful, assuming a 401(k) funded from at least five Years of Employment, you might be able to retire after a Year of trading Ryan’s Strategies. About an Hour of “Work” per Week, once the Strategies you prefer to trade are learned.
I’m one happy Customer, so far.
Thanks. From your description it is inline with our review of this course. Would love to hear back after you have been doing the strategy longer.
Thank you AndyDColes . Yes, please post an update after the 10-12 months! I never saw Ryan make a profit in the several months I subscribed, but maybe he’s being too aggressive in some of the programs.
I have been using Ryan’s weekly Time Warp trading system for around 4 months. In that period there has been only about 5 wins out of around 16 placements. I am about even on my P/L. The purchase of the further out option has been a consistent loser and the close month short has been degraded by this strategy. Why not just sell a call on Spy a little further OTM to cut the risk a little? Backtesting could prove this point. I do not believe this system works well in this market. Ryan does publish his P/L and it is not good. Anytime there is no forum for discussion on a strategy, and no refund.. BEWARE!
I’ve tried a couple of Ryan’s systems and both of them were losers. One was a low risk Time Warp system traded through a broker that was supposed to make $500 – $750/mo. and after losing for three months in a row I gave up. In theory his concepts sound really good, but in reality they just don’t stack up to the hype.
It is fascinating reading all the comments and different takes on the same signals. Being in the industry for almost 30-years, I have come to one conclusion…traders generally hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. Take for example Marty above…I have always said that if the account does not make back at least $1,000 by the end of the 90-days, I will continue the signals at no cost. However, Marty L says that it would have cost him $500 to continue on. This is because Marty L. didn’t pay attention…if he had, he would have never said. Further, if he were actually following the signals he wouldn’t have said that either because as of the date that he wrote that review, he was still getting the signals…at no cost. Which by the way, ended at +$1,295. Then take for example Roy…he says I publish each TW-D90 performance, which I do, and ALL of them ended with at least the $1,000 gain (although a few took longer than 90-days). So what exactly is “not good”? I also very plainly state that the $5,000 gain is a goal, not a guarantee. If I were claiming, or even insinuating that my approach makes money every 90-days without exception, why in the world would I say “if the account does not make at least $1,000 within the first 90-days”…but it doesn’t matter what I say….some traders hear what they want. If it doesn’t make $5,000 in 90-days every time, it is a scam.
I understand some traders can’t handle the patience that is required to succeed in most trading approaches, including mine, and so if they aren’t making a killing in 90-days, it just doesn’t work. But I will always put my money where my mouth is…and I have an open challenge to any trader who really thinks my approach doesn’t have positive mathematical expectations…you trade a $5,000 account with any strategy other than my Time Warp, and I’ll trade my Time Warp…base the results on ending gain to maximum drawdown and see who comes out on top. I’m not saying I will absolutely win every challenge, but I do know my Time Warp approach gives me as good of a chance of winning as anything else out there.
DISCLAIMER: Ryan Jones is my friend. I currently work with Ryan now. A friend of mine came across this recently and was asking me questions, thus I decided to make one last final post on behalf of Ryan and his team…but more importantly to open-up the eyes of traders that might be unaware of a few trading facts and realities.
Pardon in advance this long response…
I do not trade for a living, I actively trade/invest with an focus on overall wealth accumulation with a long term outlook. I have little concern over my daily, weekly or monthly equity curve ( I love to sleep well. Thus, I trade so small, that it almost seems pointless ‘to me’, but I fully understand math and proper compounding only takes small profits to accumulate geometric account growth over the coming years).
I have personally met and worked with 100’s and 1000’s of traders. Some ‘aspiring’ traders have no money, and are lifetime demo traders and market enthusiasts. Some can talk/teach theory all day long, but do not, or cannot trade real money. And some traders that I know and have worked with manage multi-billions of dollars, with varying degrees of backgrounds, success and failures. What I can tell you is this, no two traders are alike. There is no one path to trading. Everyone brings their own beliefs and philosophies to the table, which should be respected. Trading is a personal journey, that in all honesty, one must go at alone and become an independent thinker and action-taker. I do not know everything, I make plenty of dumb mistakes, but I’d still like to share some of my thoughts and advice to other fellow traders that I’ve learned along the way…
Ryan’s Time Warp approach has strong supporting evidence, based on sound principles. Based on significant research and testing. His approach has worked over the long run for many traders who have stuck with it, taken all the trades, and followed the rules. There’s literally a thousand ways to trade it. It does not grow equity every week, month, or quarter.
You pick 2 or 3 strategies and stick with it. It’s based on probabilities that play out over the long run with large number of occurrences. And is certainly not guaranteed to work every year (this is a naive mindset, if you have these type of expectations).
Ryan’s approach is based on math, odds and probabilities. Not theories, fundamental/ technical forecasts or opinions etc. All centered around risk, and proper money management. In respect to posting past trade signal results publicly, I’m not certain as to why exactly Ryan has chosen not to post them. He does post (within member’s area) each and every trade with trade commentary, rules, his thoughts, fills, results etc. It’s very transparent. I’m sure that his customer support staff might be able to provide you further clarity and insight.
That said…Most real money traders and real money systems are recovering from drawdowns a majority of the time, before they achieve new high hurdles of the previous equity high. It’s referred to as underwater equity curve. This curve is something that all traders must embrace, and learn to accept, or they will be vastly disappointed. Traders are usually experiencing loses, some even pain before they achieve new NAV highs. All traders have losing streaks of 5,10, 15 or more times in a row. It’s based on the mathematical effects of the natural logarithms of streaks that eventually happens to every trader. It’s not unusual for traders to experience drawdowns 3,4,5 consecutive months in a row if they trade long enough. Most traders do not make money year after year, after year after year. My question, how can you expect to overcome these compelling trading truths? The answer is, you can’t. But, having REALISTIC expectations, then preparing for these expectations is where you must plant your feet. Do not trade big, which causes pain and anxiety. And stick with it before passing quick judgement.
A traders next trade is based on Random Probability Theory, whereby no one can forecast the known outcome. You can run 20,30, or 100 possible future randomized scenarios with the exact same system, same plan, same risk management…and one can have totally different results, based on time, meaning the time it is implemented. Some will be down, some will be rather flat, and some people will be up on overall equity. How is this so? Now are you beginning to see why you have positive and negative user reviews?
… It’s because of Random Probability Theory, and the time in which an traders implements the strategy, coupled with the effects of Risk Management (when bet sizes are increased/decreased) which provide DIFFERENT results for the SAME SYSTEM.
You see, traders look at it in the wrong context, or just on the surface. You have to fully understand the facts of the case. No one knows when the winners or losers are coming. As mentioned before, the effects of increasing/decreasing bet size that falls within the proper money management plan effects everything as well, often to a very significant degree throughout the long run.
Thus, based on all of these aforementioned facts, what do you see in these negative reviews that provides a valid argument that Ryan’s stuff (or anyone else’s) cannot, does not or will not work over the long run? Where’s your data, and supporting evidence that Ryan’s stuff (or anyone else’s) should not be effected by any of the aforementioned facts, and that long-term perspective and judgment should overall be negative?
MY POINT: You have to have realistic and factual information before you start trading and passing judgment on any system. You cannot pass judgment over 10 or 20 trades, or over a few months of taking some trades (In my experience of auditing, most novice traders that rely on trade signals ‘cherry-pick’ trades, hesitate, miss trades, and many deviate from the strategy and plan all together).
All you can do as a trader is this, confirm that there’s appropriate supporting evidence for the long-term odds of success of a strategy. Understand ALL the risks involved etc. If you are not convinced, take a pass, or simply proceed with caution.
Remember, only trade with a positive expectancy system. Trade small to survive, and stick with it over the longer run. Further advice…Don’t judge your trading on the past 5,10,15 trades etc. If you do, you’ll very likely keep rinsing and repeating the same traders cycle of the quest for the ‘now, hot’ trading system. For example, if Ryan’s stuff does not fit your style and beliefs, cool. Go in search of a positive expectancy system based on sound mathematical odds, one that can be proved statistically and are leaned in your favor, or go create and test it on your own. Again, trade small. Properly compound profits over the months and years. Whatever you decide, stick with it. Lastly, taking a bonafide assessment of where you are at, under current market conditions is never a bad idea. You may need to tweak things, which is certainly not unreasonable if it’s quantifiable.
Here’s a great quote from a respected veteran trader: “If you want to know yourself – all your insecurities, character faults, issues of pride, areas of greed or selfishness, unresolved traits, etc. – just become a trader… How true! Self-awareness and managing the human side of trading is a hallmark of every great trader I have known over the years.”—-
Thanks for this discussion, which appears to serves as a platform to help and support fellow traders — with the purpose based on appropriate context, substance and logic. All the best in trading, as well as in life.
Thanx Chad…. Opps, I mean Ryan. Lol
Sound just like Ryan to me!
I have been following Ryan’s Time Warp trades for several months. It would be very helpful, and good for his business, if he would post his profit and loss results at the end of each week. If he thinks his system works well, why not show the numbers? If he could demonstrate profitable numbers, I, for one would be happy to pay for his services.
A friend who’s a very experienced options trader (semi-professional) tried this program. He was skeptical, but sometimes tries different courses to see if he can learn anything new. He said Ryan lost money but not enough to trigger the refund, which was very carefully crafted. He also said the results depend heavily on luck and guessing the market’s direction. So it’s not surprising that Timewarp is sometimes profitable.
I made a single trade with this Ryan Jones. I made a loss. There are things I see said in this post that represent my exact assessment, that Ryan Jones is not practicing what he preaches, but others that seem too naïve even though meant to make the same point. I have seen posts here of people who understood that Ryan Jones system was not a day-trading thing. That was me! RJ says what you need to do is enter the legs of each spread at the same time, and exit them at the same time close to the end of last day of trading for the sold leg(s). I did exactly this, and came out with a loss. I did not think it was a big deal, as I was sold on the statistics and so I was ready to get back in for the next drawing. What pissed me off is to find RJ reporting that he made a profit on the same trade, and yet I could not imagine how he would have executed the trade any better than I did, if playing by the rules of he had presented. It turns out he would have made the profit not by following the rules, but by watching the market carefully and exiting the short leg when he perceived (correctly so) that the market was turning against the trade. That is not what he sold me, and if I was available to do that, I would be day-trading. There are lots more generous day trading systems than his. Now, perhaps somewhat in his defense, I think the argument that his system would be wrong because he tries to exploit time value difference between legs of a spread is bogus. The argument, as I understood it, is that because the market would not keep on hold other factors, then you cannot utilize time value alone. Whether his system works without him fetching additional value by day trading, I do not know from a practical standpoint! However the theory he presents is indisputable, except if someone can demonstrate that the expected gains from his play on time value are not beneficial in practice. We know spreads can be composed in a way to control for various value variables – for example, if you are buying and selling separate contracts of the same asset, then you are reducing variability relative to just buying or selling. So if you plan your buying and selling in a way to reduce variability and at the same time exploit time decay, then you can do much better than just buying or selling. This is what RJ claims he does. Unfortunately his actions in the process of the trade I participated in suggests to me that he is at best making his profits from day-trading and not so much from utilizing time value. My thinking is that the system he sells is probably effective in certain market environments (which therefore would require skill in knowing whether the environment is right to excute it), but he might be disingenuously selling it as a universal performer and then being overly active and creative to make it seem like it is working for him (in effect he is promoting a theoretical system different from the one he executes). I also suspect that expected profits in the market environments where profits are realistic may not be anywhere close to his alleged levels.
I made a single trade with this Ryan Jones. I made a loss.
There are things I see said on this forum that represent my exact assessment, that Ryan Jones is not trading the system he presents, but others that seem too naïve even though meant to make the same point. I have seen posts here of people who understood that Ryan Jones system was not a day-trading thing. That was me!
RJ says what you need to do is enter the legs of each spread at the same time, and exit them at the same time close to the end of last day of trading for the sold leg(s). I did exactly this, and came out with a loss. I did not think it was a big deal, as I was sold on the statistics and so I was ready to get back in for the next drawing.
What pissed me off is to find RJ reporting that he made a profit on the same trade, and yet I could not imagine how he would have executed the trade any better than I did, if playing by the rules he had presented. It turns out he would have made the profit not by following the rules, but by watching the market carefully and exiting the short leg when he perceived (correctly so) that the market was turning against the trade. That is not what he sold me, and if I was available to do that, I would be day-trading. There are lots more generous day trading systems than his.
Now, perhaps somewhat in his defense, I think the argument that his system would be wrong because he tries to exploit time value difference between legs of a spread is bogus. The argument, as I understood it, is that because the market would not keep on hold other factors, then you cannot utilize time value alone. Whether his system works without him fetching additional value by day trading, I do not know from a practical standpoint! However the theory he presents is indisputable, except if someone can demonstrate that the expected gains from his play on time value are not beneficial in practice.
We know spreads can be composed in a way to control for various value variables – for example, if you are buying and selling separate contracts of the same asset, then you are reducing variability relative to just buying or selling. So if you plan your buying and selling in a way to reduce variability and at the same time exploit time decay, then you can do much better than just buying or selling. This is what RJ claims he does. Unfortunately his actions in the process of the trade I participated in suggests to me that he is at best making his profits from day-trading and not so much from utilizing time value. My thinking is that the system he sells is probably effective in certain market environments (which therefore would require skill in knowing whether the environment is right to execute it), but he might be disingenuously selling it as a universal performer and then being overly active and creative to make it seem like it is working for him (in effect he is promoting a theoretical system different from the one he executes). I also suspect that expected profits in the market environments where profits are realistic may not be anywhere close to his alleged levels.
I started using Time Warp Double 90 in Nov 2015. It lost money and was Switched to Time Warp TRIPLE IT! WTF does he come up with all these Marketing Names for his BS Trading! I paid money to lose all that I started with and then some!
He keeps making signals and documentary every week like he’s winning! Whenever he does luck out with a winning week, he boasts like it’s a normal thing!
I have constantly asked him and support for a running total of his trades every week, but only get something that’s made up from months ago!
It would be nice if he could produce what he brags about, but his winners are only LUCK and basically he’s full of Bullshit!
HI I received this Offer from RJ any feedback is appreciated;
The 1-2 Punch Trading Strategy, The 27% Weekly Options Strategy, Time Warp Low Volatility Strategy, The Hedged Strategy and The Calendar Spreads Strategy
The Power of PPD Training
The 5-Year, $1 Million Dollar Compounding Plan
6-Month Access to PDS Trader (including automatic signals, customized trade sorting, tailor strategy requirements and more
Having researched, but not purchased, many of his offers, I have yet to see anything ‘proprietary’. He simply renames long established trading methods, spinning them as his own system. I can say with conviction (based on years of options trading) that while the math of compounding is correct, his five year, one million dollar compounding plan is complete dreaming for two reasons- trading is rarely an orderly linear process (as would be found with dividends or bonds), and if in fact you get to, say, half a million, it becomes increasingly difficult to find trades in which to place that much money (using his ideas) without spending a ton of time finding multiple trades, a problem you never have with a small account. Large lot orders, which you need to place if you trade large amounts of money, will result in pushing the bid/ask higher, in effect making you trade against yourself (this is also how pump and dump operators manipulate penny stocks). So you become limited to things like SPY, which have large open interest, or you spend more and more time trying to diversify, and now you are daytrading.
His program can teach a new person about option strategies, but may not result in making any money. I don’t try anything that doesnt offer a refund without a whole lot of independent verifiable testimony that it works. That is not the case with the offer you mention. Like Ken Trester and many others, actual trading results would show a vastly different picture than what is being marketed.
My advice would be to stay away from anything Ryan Jones’ name is attached to. I spent $997 to join a program of his titled “Forex Cash Flow Now” and didn’t even receive all the course material promised in his slick ads. Con man through and through….
It’s funny, for every negative comment, Ryan can provide 10 positive reviews. I work with Ryan personally, he’s smart. And arguably the most honest, ethical and brutally honest guy in the trading space.
Ehh, o well…haters gonna hate, traders are a very fickle bunch.
Interesting, when you drill down and analyze the true facts and have the chance to here a traders discontent, defend your position, the negative comments are ‘usually’ based on miscommunication or misinterpretation…but, most often squashed or out of context, because they don’t listen or follow the rules…you gotta consider the source, opinions from people whom do not even know Ryan, nor have worked with him and other traders who make a living doing this incredibly difficult profession.
8 Video testimonials about Ryan, from real traders who who’ve been mentored by Ryan (look halfway down this page): http://missionmilliontrading.com/
Testimonials from industry veterans, in respect to Ryan’s assessment of money management, risk and ‘proper’ POSITION SIZING, which is KEY:
“Ryan Jones is on the cutting edge of the most important element in the art of speculation-be it stocks or commodities-money management.” -Larry Williams, trader and author Long-Term Secrets to Shot-Term Trading
“The goal of most futures traders is to make a million dollars as fast and as painlessly as possible. Unfortunately, few traders achieve this goal. In The Trading Game, Ryan Jones demonstrates how the proper application of his new money management strategy, Fixed Ratio Trading, can enable an average trading system to earn spectacular profits. My advice? Don’t trade until you’ve spent as much time and effort on money management as you’ve spent on developing your entry and exit rules.” -Tom Bierovic, Manager System Trading & Development Education, Omega Research, Inc.
“Money management is the most overlooked part of trading but is the key to building enormous wealth. Ryan Jones first overviews classical methods and then discusses a new paradigm which, combined with a reliable trading method, can lead to financial security.” -Murray Ruggiero, President Ruggiero & Associates; contributing editor, Futures magazine
“At last-a money management book that is not intimidating or boring. Ryan Jones has made a complex subject easier to understand and follow. I am especially excited for all independent traders.” -Glen Ring, President, Glen Ring Enterprises editor of the widely respected View on Futures newsletter
“Ryan Jones has always been one of the most innovative traders and creative minds in the industry. With the writing of The Trading Game: Playing by the Numbers to Make Millions, he has taken the science of money management and risk control to another level. I wholeheartedly endorse his efforts and recommend this new work required reading to anyone either just entering the trading arena, or already participating in it.” -Ted Tesser, CPA and author, The Trader’s Tax Survival Guide
I’ve read every comment posted here, and I wish to add one more. Quite a while back, I subscribed to one of Jones’ Time Warp services, and after 6 months I was up about $300, after commissions. Rough and tough, that was roughly 12% annualized. According to Bernie Madoff that is a good ROI, becausethat’s what HE was telling his clients that he was getting for them. Based on the “claims”, not promises, made in Jones’ marketing material, I had a much higher expectation for the ROI.
In fact, one of his products – My 27% weekly Weekly Option Strategy – would make any normal-thinking options trader believe, or at least expect, that even if you were just a fraction as successful as Jones makes it sound, you would probably think that 6% a month would certainly be a reasonable expectation.
Jones will say ‘there’s another trader wannabe that expects 6% every month, and he/she probably didn’t even follow all of the signals.’
First off, I think it is insulting to people who want to learn a trading system to generate some extra money, to market a product with a title and/or claim of 27% weekly ROI. Fortunately I saw through that ridiculous title but thought a more realistic ROI MIGHT be possible. Turns out that the way he came up with this 27% weekly claim is by showing 3 winning trades that he claims “were” real, then he extrapolated those results over several years, using his compounding method, then dividing the theoretical account balance by the number of months he ‘would have been’ trading. That is very misleading, disingenuous, and possibly fraudulent. Yes, he admonishes every subscriber not to bypass the disclaimer on his site, then he insists that these results are possible “over time”, etc. Yet the results that he shares with the audience are highly theoretical, based on a few (possibly theoretical as well) trades.
Secondly, I cannot understand (actually now I do) why he refuses to share his trade results with prospective and current subscribers. When I was in the TW subscription, he DID share results of the trades he recommended, but I could never figure out how he could have exited with the “profits” he claimed and why my own trades were so far off from his. I later came to the conclusion that he was actually unwinding spreads one leg at a time as profits became available, then I figured he was “averaging in” to the remaining leg and “hoping” for a good outcome ad the direction of SPY changed – as it did every day.
Third, one of your other posters, and staunch defender of Jones, Chad, claimed in his post of October 2016 that he “works with Jones now.” I have news for you out there – Chad is either Jones himself or his proxy, Furthermore, Chad and I ‘spoke’ (on the service’s chat service before October 2016, so he’s not even honest about the relationship with Jones.
The whole thing smells like dead fish, and both Chad and Jones play the same recording, namely that these people who are complaining are either stupid, can’t/don’t follow directions, expect too much (never mind that it’s THEIR marketing material that puts the expectations out there), and isn’t giving the program enough time to work. If you find that you’re in a hole, especially after something like 6 months, you should stop digging. Either the plan is not a good one, or for any other number of reasons, this is not the plan for you.
If Jones’ programs and trading prowess is so great, can this many people really be all the negative things Jones and Chad keeps harping on? On this site, just one person so far said he was happy. On the ‘Stock Gumshoe’ site, there isn’t even ONE who admits to being happy. And Chad is on that site too – mounting the same defenses.
Here’s a suggestion RJ – forget dealing with these ungrateful, impatient, stupid trader wannabes – trade your own system the way you’re trying to teach them, make 27% per week, share that with your alter-ego Chad, and spend afternoons at the beach. Why put up with this nonsense? DOn’t give me the old worn out line about ” I teach because I truly want to help others succeed.” You do it because teaching trading, pays better than actually trading, primarily because the risk is so much lower, and the ROI is so much higher. This is the one time where low risk doesn’t equal low return!
Imagine, if you stared with $10,000 (and considering how much you’ve already benefited from all the subscribers you’ve had so far, that’s a mere pittance);
Compound 9% weekly returns. – Should be a breeze compared to 27% per week.
Double your money (roughly) every 8 months.
Take out your $2.5 million in less than 5½ years.
BUT, good luck trading more than $100k weekly in the SPY spreads you are pushing.
You have very little credibility RJ – because you’re not transparent enough, and you keep blaming your your failures on your clients.
Correction to my last post – I suggest 9% per month, not per week. That should be soooo easy for you RJ.
Make an easy $2.5m without the hassle!
Thanks all these comments. That was helpful. I am trying to get my refund before placing any trade from his system.
Thank you in advance for allowing this post…
Here’s what traders are saying after attending a live trading workshop with Ryan Jones in Dallas, TX:
Here’s what traders are saying after attending an live trading workshop with Ryan Jones in Atlanta, GA:
Here’s Ryan Jones presenting his opening session at a live workshop:
Here’s Ryan Jones explaining the process of building out a trade “projection” and the risks associated with it, PLUS a word of caution from Ryan concerning trading advice and opinions via online trading blogs, chats and forums (fast forward to 1:45. Ends at 3:15):
Trading is a business hinged upon proper risk management. Trading requires well thought out planning, just like any other successful business requires. In trading, you cannot ‘fly by the seat of your pants’, you must have a plan and a process that you follow long-term. In our experience, individual results in trading vary. No two traders are exactly alike, nor is their personal situation or experiences. Please be sure to carefully read our unique risk disclosure below. Seriously, please read it below.
Payday Stocks support team.
Chat support: http://www.PayDayStocks.com
Email support: firstname.lastname@example.org
IMPORTANT RISK INFORMATION
Many traders tend to gloss over risk disclaimers, as if they are mere technicalities required in the course of business in this industry. This is a dangerous habit many traders have developed. With all trading strategies, there is “profit potential” and there is “risk potential”. All too often, traders interpret “profit potential” as a “promise of profits”, while at the same time, if risks are realized, the term “risk potential” is interpreted “I was duped”. This is trading. There are risks, and these risks are very real. Risk potential means you could experience losses. Profit potential means you could experience profits. Past performance, whether hypothetical or real, does not diminish the risk potential of any strategy. The problem with simply glossing over risk disclaimers and not taking them seriously is that it causes traders to make decisions they would not otherwise make. Specifically, glossing over a risk disclaimer may lead to deciding to trade a strategy that you would otherwise decide against trading had you taken the risks associated with that strategy seriously. It also causes traders to stop trading strategies long before they should stop trading them because they did not take the risk disclaimer seriously.
Understanding risk is more important to the overall success of trading than you might think. In fact, your understanding of risk (or lack of understanding), affects virtually every trading decision you make from markets to trade, account size to start with, beginning trade size, levels at which you increase or decrease your trade size, and of course, how long to stay committed to a strategy. It is to your detriment to ignore this, and any other risk disclaimer associated with trading. Every strategy and trade opportunity associated with PayDay Stocks carries risk. In all cases, you decide whether the “profit potential” is worth the “risk potential”.
*Disclaimer – Results may vary from person to person and results are not guaranteed.
Don’t buy or try to follow it.
I already bought and feel like, it’s a lot better if you just watch and learn tastytrade TV
you got nothing there, only pieces of shit and ask you to pay for more subscriptions..